tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post3459510046150073902..comments2024-03-26T23:41:10.319+00:00Comments on Authors Electric: This is not a revolutionary post by Jo CarrollKatherine Robertshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17196712319655603442noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-83696005831532347092014-11-26T06:56:23.107+00:002014-11-26T06:56:23.107+00:00Gotten: I don't even seen the need for histori...Gotten: I don't even seen the need for historical precedent, or for any defensiveness whatsoever. We're writers, people: let's try to appreciate variety, richness,borrowings from foreign languages, our own coinages. If you're annoyed by how others speak, there are some good tranquillisers available from the NHS, I believe.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13770069472552779217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-69898945006394460982014-11-25T18:20:55.918+00:002014-11-25T18:20:55.918+00:00There's an excellent book by Bill Bryson about...There's an excellent book by Bill Bryson about the history of English English and US English and all the words and forms that changed here but not there. Fascinating stuff. Catherine Czerkawskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14554969254207924049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-18764646593735611072014-11-25T18:09:48.196+00:002014-11-25T18:09:48.196+00:00Seems I'll have to live with 'gotten' ...Seems I'll have to live with 'gotten' - and given it's ancient heritage I'll try to do with with good grace.<br /><br />Or run off in those revolutionary slippers ... (WTF?)JOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127111575563904349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-46952663546042699282014-11-25T15:37:51.966+00:002014-11-25T15:37:51.966+00:00Well-done. But let me add this quote regarding the...Well-done. But let me add this quote regarding the origin of 'gotten':<br /><br />Just seeing the word is enough to set the hair of some British English speakers on end. Yet, despite the many claims that it is an Americanism, it is most definitely of British origin and the Oxford English Dictionary traces its first use to the 4th century.<br /><br />Since then, it has been used by many notable British English writers, including Shakespeare, Bacon and Pope and it was one of a number of words that were transported across the Atlantic with the settlers. But then it slipped out of use in British English, along with such words as fall for "autumn" (British English having opted to adopt the French word) and guess in the sense of "think".<br /><br />This has led to the less-informed criticising it as a "heinous Americanism", despite its British origin - yet I'm sure such people quite happily use words and phrases like belittle, cold snap, bark up the wrong tree and lengthy, despite these being true Americanisms.glitter noirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11728649916344336118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-77014023984770237762014-11-25T14:23:03.151+00:002014-11-25T14:23:03.151+00:00There is even an ad currently running about "...There is even an ad currently running about "revolutionary slippers." (And as with "gotten" so with "fall". It annoys me, though.)Lesley Cookmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699182779296799170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-71061970790251098642014-11-25T12:26:16.931+00:002014-11-25T12:26:16.931+00:00re gotten. it's still used in parts of lancash...re gotten. it's still used in parts of lancashire, sometimes sounding more like geeten or getten. and my mother's pet hate - fall - was what english people used to call autumn.Jan Needlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15823078224282953782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2429560125838989988.post-19388826071468766562014-11-25T12:22:25.558+00:002014-11-25T12:22:25.558+00:00Three cheers for language and keeping an eye on it...Three cheers for language and keeping an eye on its constant changes! however I feel I must point out that 'gotten' is an old English form, used in England for centuries, which passed out of use here after the US had been colonised, which is why they still have it and we don't! so if it catches on here (and it still survives in 'ill-gotten gains') it will be coming home! Lydia Bennethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09328239009863878547noreply@blogger.com